Petebowes: we don’t know if Rudolf II ever had it (we have one letter claiming he did, but nothing else whatsoever) or what he did with it (though it seems certain that it was for a while owned by Rudolf’s Imperial Distiller) (who distilled water, not alcohol, as far as we can tell). Is E C E D Italian? Nick: Not sure how to take that comment, but I’m looking at that circle. I have looked up the crowns of Hungary and they do bear a strong resemblance to the one depicted. Perhaps you might consider downloading and reading Mary D’Imperio’s “Elegant Enigma”: her book sums up a lot of evidence that had been collected by the 1970s, and with the added benefit of being published a long time before any Internet Voynich theories came into being. Standard heraldic semiology. Only with the discovery of the radial illusion of f71r and the recognition of the positional construction of the obscure papelonny pun can the extent of the authors heraldic knowledge be adequately gauged. Is there any interesting history for that? Thirdly Rich, a minor suggestion and excuse me if I sound presumptuous, the past as far as William Friedman, Newbold and Tilman did not utilize the speed of computers we have today or if some of them even had access to one. :-p. It sounds like an audio-book-style recording, perhaps from a transcript. For me it is another hint, especially to the question, whence comes the VM. Itma yex pla inwhy thel an guaged oesn ot fol low thes amer uleso therl an guages do. There is another of Aldrovandi’s online, showing the Indian mastic (or mastich) plant, Calamacorus. This is today hardly anyone finds out. Failing to include there the modifiers “Latin” and “European” perfectly demonstrates my point about the ingrained habit in Voynich studies of beginning from a presumption that the content of this manuscript will be entirely a product of the Latin European milieu, in art as in corpus of knowledge. 2) The Italian narrative would not be formal grammar but yes indeed the meat would be Italian linguistic sausage, because as evident in Ros2 Castle spiral translation we can comprehend a “battle at a Castle where it was missing 665 merlons”. I don’t know why you keep insisting I am likening anything to it – I’m not, and haven’t. Exulting, praying , worshiping pious The author of the manuscript uses cabalistic numerolog. Translation of f2v 1st paragraph I don’t care if people make money publishing good research. So far your research is very bad. Who fills already stones into a still living animal, and that also still although the wolf stands under nature protection. I wonder if Islam had a prohibition against five pointed stars in the fifteenth Century? Who knows? Actually using that cipher one can read anything one likes. This idea was done out of the thought that the VMS was produced by alien beings and I know this is funny! The reason I found the key perhaps was my way about going after a voynich decryption all these years. f67r – I see there might be something but it’s so small and indistinct that I can’t read it as “ge” or anything you propose. I’m not that familiar with early albarelli and the Google images are all shown with floral and pictorial designs. F70v – 15 ladies plus f71r – 15 ladies. Well Nick I applaud your optimism towards anyone looking into the VM by saying we are doomed to 99.999% failure. It has not a flicker of theory to it (and that’s OK): but you repeatedly compare it with theoretical models (such as Stolfi’s crust-mantle-core paradigm), which are trying to do something quite different and for utterly different reasons. Patrick Lockerby: “My solution has converted about 50% of the VM into Latin.”. One abbreviation is not yet ID’d, (1) grain (possibly some sort of speedwell? Is just the short words, 2-3 sign. You are so stuck on such a fraud that you cannot even handle that you and many of your colleagues have been fooled. Has anyone pondered the possibility of it originating from another dimension? The dominant culture in Europe is described as the “Latin” because that was the formal language of education and diplomacy etc., just as Arabic was in Islam or Greek in Byzantine territories. I never use google translate, you should not assume that. In the end, the word consisting of three characters can fit up to six letters. 75r top pool stake thing) appear to be tools of some sort. Man if anything The Vms crowns tell us little more than that at some stage people who knew the look of European crowns had reason to inscribe a couple or three. If the author did not believe in the T-O picture of the world, he would not have included T-O diagrams into the VM. And cryptographers would give up at the latest if they tried all possible decryption methods they know. Does this holiday show up in the Voynich? . Anton: I envy you for your Great Soviet Encyclopedia, though I would not have a place now where to put it. J.K.P. but they do not “proclaim their religious and political attitudes” to nearly the same extent as other forms of imagery do. Then you will see how important the work of your grandfather really was. Here are some of the results that I have came up with from this text. … – .- — — — ……. What part of it don’t you think works? attractive is not here, reap seeds, It’s a lot more than just an example of armorial heraldry that has been hidden here. Perhaps you might consider capitulation on the C14 dating errors in favour of continuing your arguments on historical provinence which I’ll be happy to counter with relish. I have been studying herbs for myself recently. i wouldn’t jump to conclusions about why someone withdraws material from general access. . What it really means will probably only explain the rest of the estate. Post is dated 23rd June 2013 at http://voynichimagery.wordpress.com. The author of the manuscript to you. You may think you’re building bridges with comments like these, but to just about everyone else I’m reasonably sure that it looks like you’re burning them. and:In this work the numerals are explained and are used in the usual computations of business. -.-. In those places where we have been able to reconstruct its original (pre-quiration) gathering and bifolio nesting order, we have discovered additional layers of orderliness. * hairy zizyphus maceration (1) minim I’m decoding the second paragraph of the Voynich Manuscript and its very accurate and much quicker to find the narrative. If the latter, it might tie in with the old agricultural calendars, in which the weeks were named by stars and asterisms of the lunar path, the manzil. The most helpful and factual information about VM is found on the Rene Zandbergen website www.voynich.nu. Likewise, I don’t believe the manuscript was ever to be interpreted in a straight forward manner. Strong marijuana targets brains network normal. Stephen Bax ♦ September 15, 2017 ♦ 15 Comments. return decipher They are old. It is too early to use the Gregorian Calendar. Liška = Eliška. I will ask. Herbal MSs aren’t exactly known for their religious contents. This is just my opinion from a mere observer, nonetheless despite everything it is a beautiful “journal” of sorts. Curious about why no one comments about his work. Diane: When that small writing is digitally enhanced it appears to be the “pur” we are talking about. The pregnant woman hanging on a glyph is pregnant. Adam, If you get to lost in the rabbit hole ask JKP for help, but please try very hard to solve it yourself. Period of writing – 1583 -1587 (or 1588). Assuming the original text wasn’t a hoax that fooled the Crusaders of my story to begin with. At the same time, this is emphatically not true of empirical models (such as Voynich Lite): their consistency with the data doesn’t bring us closer to the underlying features driving Voynichese. J.K.P: I can see where you’re coming from and where you stand with such a profound statement ie. I advise you to start over from scratch, without forgetting the references this time, and wish you good progress! No systematic reflection of the person’s length of involvement, quality or originality of their contribution to the study, or their own qualifications and/or research abilities. Ambassador Busbecq was simply signing off from his diplomatic efforts (w/Suleiman) — and he picked the shabbiest manuscript upon which to sign off. But investigating the imagery to determine when and where it might first have been enunciated, I did in fact find that nexus for the bathy- images: the ‘cross with lump’ has its equivalent in close proximity – in both time and place – tp representation of the situla-as-ring, to use of the aegis/parasol imagery, and an object which appears to modern western eyes as resembling a pair of surgeon’s forceps. Lots of interesting things have emerged in the last twenty or thirty years. Because they are explaining the subject-matter, origin, historical and chronological context implied by the imagery. I have a strange theory, but nobody cares anyway. I’m curious. So, maybe the VM has a Jewish provenance? I can see my neighbor on Google Earth but they’ve had satellites circling mars for years, and all we get is a little questionable swath of visible land? ……. Wilfred was introduced to Richard Garnet, administrator of the then British Museum Library by Mary Boole, mother of Lily in the early 90s, and like Dickie had no love for establishment pompous scholars of the day. There has been plenty of scientific tests conducted on the origins of Roma people. First, you could argue that the whole idea of the text as enciphered was disproven, or at least dismissed, by Tiltman and by Friedman, but people continue to insist that it is. Hidden writing is in some roots. That means a few letters. Here is the link. .-. John Matthews Manly and Edith Rickert did retained some intrest but their main work was with Geoffrey Chaucer. Exists in untranslated ancient books. My focus at this time is on the Bacon cipher in America. Rugg’s premise that the Voynich script is language like but meaningless, need not imply that it is not an encrypted meaningful material or simply not an encryption. Encryption manuscript is therefore based on numerological system. I recognise the drawings in the VMS as being from a person of my own artistic ability and so I can offer a perspective into what the pictures are saying. Passing it over to the future, where science rules over religion some day. TH Ing: I really enjoyed your blogpost with the review of my previously published manuscript concerning the Rosette map and the depiction of continents, classical elements and their interaction (climate). Even this theory is more likely than a Morse code. Now we have a word in Italian but the shufflings and substitutions in Step 3 are subjective and not consistent with the way he translated other VMS tokens. Diane: Interesting but the one at the West position doesn’t align with the figure like the others do. The price I know is a lot, but since I sold a few i should be Cutting that in half soon. http://hmmlorientalia.wordpress.com/2012/01/16/syriac-letters-and-coptic-numerals/. A very important noble family. 6 + 5 x2 =22. Yet It is described as “not fully translated,” so there has been some success. Therefore, it is difficult to explain it to you. The same goes for Tucker and Janick. Keeping an open mind (once someone is deeply immersed in the matter) is something one shouldn’t ignore or forget. Moreover, in the text there are 2 levels of encryption. We are looking for a very wealthy person due to the extremely high prices charged for the high quality materials. Diane: By “we” I meant the commenters on this blog participating in discussion. noun Fontana’s work is a different matter entirely, and I don’t think it’s appropriate to bracket them together in this way. The times, days, years were not depicted as in Roman date forms, nor did they had the same timeline of 24 hours. As the lawful copyright owner myself I’m planning to publish “Quookey’s Key” next year. If the roots are untinted, they are not used. Landa ( Which later became Sindhi, Khudabadi, Khojki ) I’ll try to explain this on a large parchment. Voynich page 68 r 3, may be referring to the Book of Revelation ? It just means that we can’t find it there. It’s easier to be creative if one is not bound by the truth. Ask the families (with due delicacy, and probably via caregivers). Man did not write this, it was penned by man, but the language was given from our heavens. Encoded character order shifts on a set order with the introduction of new sentences on a given page. What if this text is from another dimension in the sense that someone actually somehow traveled to this alternate dimension and brought this text back or composed this text during his travels in said alternate dimension? Although some argue that there are Popes there, but again those painted persons are not manifesting themselves as Popes. Hemp increased revenue, snorted . And love is the strongest motivator we know. Tom, what language is it going to be next month? He also has a fascinating take on the “Mystery of Oak Island”. Luckily, Voynich studies does move its Alexandrine length along (despite appearances) and today your expressing the same view will scarcely raise an eyebrow. This subject regarding the Voynich Manuscript (VMS) has plagued my mind since 2008 when I first discovered it online. To exemplify this, I’m afraid I’m going to invoke Stephen Bax, who simply stated that he was using Edith Sherwood’s plant identifications, without any further explanation. “In school do I not learn how to read, and write in our language, and then learn about our planet, the things that inhabit it, and our history using this language?”, I am merely basing this off of what I have researched about mars currently. Firstly, I do not claim to break cipher, even a single word. You can find an update of my cipher at Voynichman: http://voynichman.freeforums.net/thread/39/voynich-morse-code-stenography-cipher, 1) The glyphs from a vord are which are summed up to the associated Morse code sigals in my cipher I produced as dots and dashes. Hi Nick. dagga (n.) With her help was able to translate a few dozen words that are completely relevant to the theme sections. I don’t need fame and I don’t need more business either. It may be worth looking for other real queens who fit the criteria as I have not scanned all of Europe. It is also a fact that there is no provenance for the Rohonc Codex earlier than 1838, and it’s also a fact that the Battyhany Library from which it allegedly came also contained blank sixteenth century codices. As ‘Sam G’ put it, “whether the text is meaningful or not, it is clearly very language-like…the structure of the text is absolutely there, regardless of whether the text is gibberish or not”. A BASIC CONCERN AS TO SAVANT AUTHORSHIP Using the Petra Sancta will initially yield plausible heraldic interpretations. There, one has to begin by attempting to identify the origin, and any chronological strata evinced by the imagery and – separately – by the written part of the text. It’s just a fact. print(“Author Thomas O’Neil, copyright ver 0.1,VMS Italian Steganongraphy Morse Code to Anagrams, August 8, 2019″), # Python program to implement Morse Code Translator, ”’ https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1604/1604.04149.pdf Nick does a pretty good job of being a one-man de facto peer review here, but it’s asking a lot for one person to do this to everyone’s satisfaction while also maintaining an open and tolerant blog. ‘foleo’ for ‘folio’, ‘olio’ for ‘oleo’. This document is a complete hoax. Next time maybe Czech or Norwegian or Chinese. Using your method I found that it actually reads “Thomas cheats”. . So in this case, the basis of the worldmap (as I explained) refers to a much earlier period, with two phases of addition most evident, these being dated (as I see it) to about the twelfth century, and then the latest additions to about the end of the fourteenth. . Stories From The Margins, The Secret History of the Rosicrucians – 9. @ Mary D’imperio and all Voynich addicted cipher hacks, Mary was a champion, in my book regarding her analysis of the Voynich Manuscript: cipher += MORSE_CODE_DICT[letter] + ‘ ‘ About twenty years. As to the content, too, when I say that the images are “certainly religious”, I wouldn’t expect any major objections – drawings of Jesus et al would surely qualify. Hi expert . Mihty solser Ytr talml fghpo wqert tergrsdf rorm One eye is done as an entrance to the castle. Tom: “The pregnant woman hanging on a glyph is pregnant. Bohemia; An anti Papist Hussite Jesus freak who was characterised by his humanist, non aggression and communal co existence teachings, originally proposed by his mentor? He was an American poet intrigued with pragmatism, transcendentalism, and realism. I read your articles a few years ago. I surmise most of it was on his mind all the time and so a decryption for the important vords he knew by heart. The convert-to-anagram section was coded by NicholasChris, with refinements by Michael (StackExchange). TB: Alberti’s work on ciphers is well-known, but if you read his 1467 book De Componendis Cyfris, his invention of a cipher disk was specifically triggered by a conversation he had with his friend Leonardo Dati in Rome in 1465. For the Voynich Manuscript, all these and more have been suggested as (as you suggest) hopefully simplifying explanations, with the idea being that in that case there would be no need for conscious logic or complicated rule-making apparatus or methodology to be wheeled in: the confounding demon of the unconscious would therefore more than suffice. Of course I could have said that in a secret note on the back of the canvas. Try to find the lowest letter represented by the dots and dashes. Me explain, why the manuscript drawn boat, which has a Jewish Star ? <<< This is the important point. Are the meanings totally unrelated to each other? Hungerink appears 6 times all different, the first being chopchol (15 dots, 8 dashes) on f6r. Remember the risk he was willing to take? Obviously, I like the idea that the text might be polyglot, since the view I reached (after a great deal of stumbling in the dark, lightened chiefly by the posts here which treated most Voynich theories), I came to the view that the book was not only a manual for some peripatetic profession, but possibly one gained via the Radhanites. If that was possible it still would not explain what happened to January and February. That, or really giving my teeth a good floss. exultations, baptizing with your Priest. Can you tell me where I can find these Netiquette rules you refer to, please? According to René Zandbergen, “Attempts to make an author profile have been started but no thorough, documented attempt is known to me.” and I seriously wonder why. Hi Az. In the pre-Internet era I surrounded myself with such heavy tomes of reference books myself. for j in anagrams(word[:z]+word[z+1:]): Moreover, in the text there are 2 levels of encryption. It takes some time to get past the verbosity and into the “meat” of the matter (yeah, I need to get out more) but he really seems plausible. It could well be a polyglot, I suppose, though I have no idea how a grammar would work in that case. Today there is only a tower Jacobin. I believe if you cannot accept this possibility and not follow up then you are definitely shutting yourself up to this solution. ( english – eye ). If Tycho discovered Cassiopeia how did it get in the Voynich? Much of the manuscript resembles herbal manuscripts of the time period, s… Things that add more to my suspicion that this is a copy are the crude drawings, from someone with no drawing ability trying to re-draw a depiction by someone else as well as some of the drawings appearing somewhat similar to the botanical pharmaceutical portion of the Harleian Manuscripts. Please leave us with each word translated to English. It’s a slow arduous process, but I’m producing sentences for what I believe Michal was writing. But maybe somebody finds merit in it to have a go. Personal statement: Neville: savants have looked at the Voynich Manuscript, and they can make no sense of it either. Brian: to pick you up on your earlier point, you are of course right that the wheel gets invented fairly frequently in Voynich research and with varying degrees of success. If you are interested in this, please let me know by email. I can also prove it, because I brought him an armadillo. Menno: as I wrote in Curse, I suspect “qo-” is a free-standing prefix (so “qokedy” should be parsed “qo-k-e-d-y”: I now suspect that “qo-” probably enciphers “lo” = “the”), while “ok-” is a completely different verbose pair (so “okedy” should be parsed “ok-e-d-y”). Their Lighthouse of Alexandria idea is strange as they take the yellow top to mean “fire”, but all the towers have yellow tops. Nine years down the track, Nick.. You has already given a link to your “Table X”, so that was completely superfluous, and please don’t do it again. The Scorpio in the zodiac looks like a lizard. MIT believes the Voynich Corpus to be in a Anagram format, list Italian a possible candidate! In the end, you need six characters to define the semantic word of three letters. Take away the radial illusion. are “c”. A short, accurate and cogent criticism. There seem no really reliable markers for word endings although my view is that the tipped “?” which is “ch” in Armenian may serve often as the end of a word. I thought your book was out of print because you said something about it ‘Dropping to the bottom of the Voynich forest floor’, and I had an idea you were doing something new with it. A typical weakness of their ego which you could almost rely on with the help of a comlex layer of encryption. But it sure does make the resulting codes contained within the words hard to explain or understand if for those who don’t also adopt my other ideas. You see a man in black balaclava holding a machine gun. These drawings apparently show an amazing fusion of machines and plants being utilised in some aspect of the creation of “drone?” human type females. The variables would be the anagram input portion of the cipher meaning the search for the Italian word at times may bring up other Italian words with the total of dots and dashes. If that’s just a cover and the numbers encode something, well it could be anything. That is closed minded in IMHO. The Voynich manuscript is a mysterious hand-written book in an unknown writing system Carbon-dating has revealed that the vellum it was written on is from between 1404 and 1438 Meanwhile there are more and more clues that aliens had a finger in the pie. Or that sipping it’s wisdom makes you a good person somehow and you are remembeed for your good deeds for all time presumably. message += ‘ ‘. There are even strong statistical patterns in places you wouldn’t necessarily expect, like the first letter of a paragraph, two-thirds of the way along the top line of a paragraph, the end of a line, the start of a word, etc. Lack of Christian forms, Latin Christian worldview and so forth is so obvious a feature of the manuscript’s imagery, that only a very set determination on some contrary theory can explain the continued (and continuing) refusal to recognise the fact. Tom: If all you said was “If I seen you guys in in a Pub I would show you the door” I would have said it wrong to ban you. Let me know what you find. . I agree with SirHubert that there’s nothing in the “middle” petal, it’s just structural. “I feel like no one ever told the truth to me”, as in famous Freddies song. So I bow down and will step back, and maybe see if anyone from Yale online would give me the help I was after. This is the first appearance of the circle marker in the manuscript, so I think it more likely that the word is a deliberate “start” label to introduce the idea that these markers stand for the start of a circular sequence. And almost all of Google Mars is blotched out in red swaths and the only bits of high definition released look like mountains fields, trees, and bushes. Efforts have, bud it is a very little success. Here the author’s methods and humour are better revealed. all of which cannot be achieved with tea. That’s, what, 0.026% of the text, which is – surprise, surprise – also roughly what you find if you count the number of English words that randomly appear in the EVA transcription (I found: or, car, char, shy, echo, oar, chain, air, chair… before I got bored, but there are probably a few more). Then, all of a sudden, like in a curious optical illusion picture, I could see a foot. 3.image = Woman. The castle was not much left. ( Voko , Oko. Reuben Ogburn used to have a website which listed those letters of which he was aware, but you now need to use the Wayback Machine to find it. This document is total horse sh#t. https://voynichimagery.wordpress.com. .- -.-. Also, that person needed at least some knowledge about how to aquire it and where it came from. For example you’d be amazed at the sheer number of people that have ever been linked to the number 666 (symbol of the Antichrist in Christian eschatology) through some mental gymnastics. What’s the harm in that? The ship carrying Ra. It’s just hard to imagine a person who meets all of the following criteria at that time. can you plz tell me what page is the jewish star ? No worries there, I have been bitten before, repeatedly. I’m afraid your address and many others were lost in the bushfires. 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